Unfortunately, we have to respect one's decision, and donot take this email personally. Donation is a personal matter and getting someone to donate is an organizational matter. -iamnew(kaikai) @费城华人论坛:费城枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of Philadelphia

I sent a lot email to employees in my company. This is an email response from one of employee in my company . what do you think about it? -lc02fm(交朋友); 2008-5-15 {304} (#2848@49)
As far as I am concerned, China has enough resources to look after their own.

Burma needs more help. As China has supported the Burmese junta to suppress the people of Burma, we should not provide any aide to China until their human rights record improves.

Please remove me from your mailing list

let me know his email and I will give him a lesson... -guanshui88(约定); 2008-5-15 (#2849@49)

What kind of lesson? You do not have right to force others to donate. That is not donation. That is robbery. By the way, did you donate anything for the earthquate in Iran, Taiwan and Japan, or the Tsunami South Asia or the cyclone in Burma? -bighorse(bighorse); 2008-5-16 (#3138@49)

I didn't say that I will force him "DONATE" and I will tell your detail about the lesson if you give me your email... -guanshui88(约定); 2008-5-16 {3} (#3475@49)
...

s/he did the right thing! -shellusa(石油佬); 2008-5-15 (#2850@49)

Why he/she is right?. Humaritarian aids and political dispute are two seperate issues. If you mix those two, there is literally no disater can be helped since there are polital and human rights disputes almost everywhere. -newlife08(2008); 2008-5-15 (#2852@49)
How about next time when Canada needs help, people come up and say:"okay, I am not helping you until the day you have solved all first nation, head tax, and Quebec problems, etc..etc...". -newlife08(2008); 2008-5-15 (#2853@49)
Your soul is as dark as devil. Everyone knows that 'Human Right' improvement needs time. NOW, People are dying on a deadly natural disaster. You don't want to give a hand for these people right now, but talk about 'Human Right'. -guanshui88(约定); 2008-5-15 (#2855@49)
Are you a Chinese ? -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-16 (#3630@49)
I think she/he is simply an asshole. Whenever you are asked to pledge some money, you can make a pledge, small or large, or say no politely. There is no need to be harsh on anyone. -zola(石头茶); 2008-5-16 (#3655@49)

exactly -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-16 (#3674@49)

公司里的同事只是同事而已，各自持不同的政治观点。相对来说，来自东欧的同事更能理解中国人的观点。本地的加拿大人（如果是英法后裔，不是种族歧视）就不要同他们理论了，讲不通。所谓的物以类聚，人以群分大概就是这样了。 -fish4city(HappyBird); 2008-5-15 (#2851@49)

“本地的加拿大人（如果是英法后裔，不是种族歧视）就不要同他们理论了，讲不通。” --- 严重同意，的确如此。 -lifesucks(harmonia mundi); 2008-5-16 (#3436@49)
赞同你的说法.他们假装失明聋哑.靠我们自己. -woaini111111(喜欢这儿吗); 2008-5-16 (#3485@49)

I don't care others reactions. I think its our duty to let everyone here hear our voice, -kyz(whylate); 2008-5-17 {181} (#3976@49)
let them know we are an united nationality, we all care about each others, we are proud of our country. I'll email our company's CEO to hold a fund raising in our company anyway.

我以前的公司有个英裔的老头，是我们的前总经理，平时非常NICE，和我也很谈得来。藏独事件后， -huhong12345(飞天糊涂虫); 2008-5-17 {207} (#3736@49)
我曾发email及我们去渥太华的照片给他，想向他解释西藏的历史问题，老头突然就Disappear了。过了快两个月了，才有冒出来，并绝口不提关于西藏的email. 看来，他在政治问题上，不同意我的观点。我也不想再跟他谈地震的事了。

Burma junta welcomes all international aids as long as those countries and aid orgs don't put the overthrowing of junta on their agenda. It's that simple! -newlife08(2008); 2008-5-15 (#2854@49)

is there anybody have good english and want argue with that guy? I will email back -lc02fm(交朋友); 2008-5-15 (#2856@49)

Please don't argue with such trash since you use a company email resource there. It might hurt you. -guanshui88(约定); 2008-5-15 (#2857@49)

i dont agree with you, why u call that guy trash? -besweet(sweet); 2008-5-15 (#2861@49)

he might not be trash, but he's definitely a racist and an asshole! -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-16 (#3618@49)
what do you think about those stupid canadians and americans who attack China for our "Human Right" issue, while watching their troops killing/bombing in Iraq. -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-16 (#3622@49)
And what do you think about him if you don't agree that he is a trash?! -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-16 (#3627@49)

I think ingoring this email is the best way to response. -cool_john(Pipi Mom); 2008-5-17 (#4171@49)

Agree -nujia(牛筋); 2008-5-18 (#4499@49)

也就是说, 为了绝对保持他们的统治权, 老百姓的生命是可以随便牺牲的. ---多么自私的统治者, 和慈禧太后没什么不同. --再说, 救援团体能对他们的统治有多大威协呢? -gump(阿甘); 2008-5-15 {90} (#2858@49)
老百姓为什么要这样的统治者? 团结起来推翻它!
这就是主权高于人权, 而且不少国人还赞同这一点.

援助可以，但是打着援助的旗号来搞颠覆就算了 -cl281(担担面&蛋炒饭); 2008-5-15 (#2859@49)
76年唐山的时候不是中国也一样？ -zhu(ironic); 2008-5-15 (#2865@49)

S/he has his/her own political opinions and you can do nothing about it. -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2008-5-15 (#2860@49)

yes. everyone has the right to their own opinion. For me, that email is ok. we cannot force anyone to follow us..right now, the bottom line is we should stand our ground and let more chinese offer help -besweet(sweet); 2008-5-15 (#2862@49)

Unfortunately, I can not agree with you. -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-16 (#3659@49)
It is not about whether he can voice his opinion. It is about what he said in his email - it's completely against humanity while he blamed China for it's Human Rights. -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-16 (#3660@49)
He indicates that Chinese people should be punished simply because western countries (and western people such as himself) are not happy with China's "Human Rights" issue. It is purely malicious! - What about the human rights of Iraq people? -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-16 (#3673@49)
He doesn't need to offer help. But it's absolutely wrong and evil to see innocent people suffering while telling a Chinese that these people should not be helped! -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-16 (#3684@49)

这根本不是什麽政治问题， DONATION 是为受灾的人民，又不是FOR CHINESE GOVERNMENT. 日本，美国多有钱，他们有灾难，中国也捐了钱，是给灾民的！ -lc02fm(交朋友); 2008-5-15 (#2868@49)

中国政府并不缺钱。捐的钱最后到了哪里，是个问题。 -cerboros_redux(Cerboros Reborn); 2008-5-15 (#2863@49)

我不明白你什么意思？你看不看报纸？听不听广播？你跟你国内朋友父母有联系？有点同情心好不好？？？告诉你，在国内中国人很团结。连台湾都肯捐，what's the big deal u comment about chinese gov?? -besweet(sweet); 2008-5-15 (#2866@49)
不要因噎废食。不要因为担心就不去助人。 -supersize(心系四川); 2008-5-15 (#2867@49)

从这件事可以看出在办公室最好不要发这种email，虽然是人道援助，但是很多人对中国的看法造成了现在援助也是一种政治看法，这人还是给你发email的，不回你email心里不同意你的不知道有多少了。除非公司组织，否则还是三思。 -zhu(ironic); 2008-5-15 (#2864@49)

大家如果想为灾区人民出一分力，可以直接到中国银行捐款，今天银行捐款的人都排长龙了，多多益善，少少无区，权当自己对远方故乡的一份心意吧。 -xiaofei_michelle(假如爱有天意); 2008-5-16 (#2871@49)

其实大家捐款也就是尽自己的一份心力，从需要上来讲他那个同事说的没错，中国比缅甸富多了，他们肯定更需要帮助。 -zhu(ironic); 2008-5-16 (#2872@49)

support you! -stlucia(Never forget); 2008-5-17 (#3700@49)

我今天也去中行了，是捐到的领馆账户的，可以直接转去中国红十字会。让我感动的是，银行好多人排队捐款，让我再一次真切地感受到了中国人的团结和力量。 -itisok(stickaround); 2008-5-17 (#4372@49)

If I were you, I would reply as follows: -needy(needy); 2008-5-16 {258} (#2869@49)
To me, humanitarian action and politics are two separate issues. I can't see those people, especially children in the quake area dying and do nothing. Anyway, thanks for letting me know what you think. I may not agree with you but I respect your opinion.

DIng! We need to learn how to deal with such situation at least. This reply seems proper for me. -sunny.always(sunny); 2008-5-16 (#3041@49)
ding, this reply is really good -karma(园园豌豆); 2008-5-16 (#3049@49)
great! learned! -kyz(whylate); 2008-5-17 (#3982@49)

”China has enough resources “个人觉得相当一部分加拿大对申办奥运输给中国还是耿耿于怀，听过几次电台节目的印象 -rtg(rtg); 2008-5-16 (#2870@49)
just forget about it and move on doing what you think is right. if the donation is volunteer [i personally donated 300 so far], no anger, no argue, no pressure. -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-5-16 (#3007@49)
昨天发了一圈email给同事和西人朋友，只有一位土耳其裔同事回信深表同情，说在土耳其有过类似地震，他还亲历过，当即捐了款还表示会urge others to do so。但其他没有一点声音，包括一位在中国生活过的非常nice的老妇人。 -tianyamingyue(天涯明月); 2008-5-16 {849} (#3091@49)
看了toronto star 的留言，看来China has enough resources to look after their own是当地大多数人的想法

中立地想一想，中国近几年给外界的印象确实是国力发展迅速，资源充足。去中国的外国人一般都去了繁华的大城市，很少有去边远山区的，他们怎么会了解占中国绝大多数的农民和城市平民的困窘生活（问问我们自己，又有多少真正体验过山区农民的生活？）。正如我那位土耳其同事所言，发生这样的大灾难时承担苦难的大多是穷人，而这些人却偏偏是被中国和西方的主流媒体忽略的人。

再中立地想一想，如果有人问，既然贫富差距那样悬殊，为什么中国的富人们不拿出钱来救济本国的穷人？国际人道救援资金短缺为什么不该用于更贫穷的国家？－－我不知该如何应答。更不用说其中牵扯到豆腐渣工程贪污腐败等敏感问题。。

身在海外的游子们心系祖国，除了捐款没法做到更多，所以心里很急。但国际救援确实只是道义不是责任，楼主得到的那个response我可以理解。

尽管如此，我昨天发信前犹豫了一下还是发了。。。
To educate them, need better logic. Use this very short line: Thanks for letting me know your choice of putting politics before humanity. You will be removed from my list. -xbox(Game Never Over); 2008-5-16 (#3139@49)

Let me ask you a question? Did you donate anyting for Burma? If you did not, are you a person that lack of humanity? -bighorse(bighorse); 2008-5-16 (#3162@49)

"we should not provide any aide to China until their human rights record improves." ???不知道人都死了，还能怎么享受人权？难道人权的最基本形式不是生命权吗？捐款是出于自愿， -adelecq(xixi); 2008-5-16 {144} (#3239@49)
也没有谁拿着刀子比你捐，不捐款并不说明你不是人，但是打着人权的幌子来掩饰自己缺乏对生命最基本的同情心就让你沦落到了人以外的境界，畜生或者是恶魔！
Read my line and please use better logic. Did I accuse of him not donating? NO! I'm accusing him putting politics before humanity. -xbox(Game Never Over); 2008-5-16 {1033} (#3242@49)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛lc02fm sent an email to colleagues to ask help. In most cases if people don't approve or not afford to simply will take no action. But they will acknowledge the goodwill and nice intention of the initiator so they will not argue.

But this his/her colleague actually walked extra miles to show his bias.

To answer your question, I didn't donate to Burma. But my wife and I did to many local activities, also for some Chinese families. No, not donating doesn't mean inhuman. If one can deeply feel the pain of the victims, I would appreciate. As a father of a one-year-old, I did feel the pain of those who lost families, no matter Burma or Sichuan.

Lots of people don't donate for different reasons, and that's totally fine with me. I don't classify people by donating or not. But I do classify people if they show sympathy without any kinds of bias. That's a important line to distinguish human kind from …

As far as you, bighorse(bighorse), you should read carefully to know the point before initiating a fight.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

Calm down. I do not want to start a fight. I agree with most of what you said. People have their own reasons whether or not to donate . -bighorse(bighorse); 2008-5-16 {541} (#3291@49)
For this person, his reason is he does not like China's human right record. You might think his reason is invalid but that does not make him inhumane. Personaly I think his email is rude. If the LZ reply to him as you suggested, that will make LZ more rude that him. Don't forget it is the LZ who send unsolicit email to him first. I also think a lot of other people at that company might think the same way. They are just silent. If you read any comments by ordinary Canadians, you would know that a lot of people share his opinion.

I'm pretty cool. Don't worry. If a person thinks Chinese should suffer just because he doens't approve Chinese goverment, that's enough for me to think him inhumane. -xbox(Game Never Over); 2008-5-16 {447} (#3461@49)
No doubt he is rude, and he doesn't hesitate to show that.

Depends on company culture, sending this type of email is pretty common in some companies. it's not "unsolicit" at all. On earth it's charity.
Anyway I wouldn't suggest LZ left his rubbish colleague unreplied. If LZ also felt my previously suggestion is too intense, reply him "You are off my list", nothing else, no best regards, no sorry, no name. He will get the message.

Burma 的人权就该比中国灾民人权低一等吗？人家只是更关心缅甸人现在和将来的生存权。中国只是现在招一时天灾，而缅甸还会在相当长一段时间内没有人权，包括失去生存权，而这是人祸造成的，是本可以提前避免的！// 当然，我同意这人心胸是狭窄了点。 -stlucia(Never forget); 2008-5-17 (#3698@49)

1. 以后没有公司许可，最好不要这么群发email。2. 那个人很简单就是反华，跟人权什么没关系， ignore him -kqc(祝福四川，祝福中国); 2008-5-16 (#3381@49)

是反共，或者是反专制，谈不上反华。 -stlucia(Never forget); 2008-5-17 (#3688@49)

如果我是你,我现在先不理他,但我会是他永远的敌人,山不转水转,早晚会有机会收拾他... -wzap(识食物者为俊杰); 2008-5-16 (#3462@49)
管它呢！ e-mail照发。有一个人说NO就停止募捐了吗？？看看平时那些站在Wal-mart门口为慈善机构募捐的人，问10个人有一个捐钱就不错了, 人家都可以站几个小时。 -sophiacc(); 2008-5-16 (#3488@49)

The problem is how to eliminate western countries people's mind about china is evil, no human rights, etc. -lc02fm(交朋友); 2008-5-16 (#3524@49)

what do you mean? You think china do has human rights? -jeep_nj(heihei); 2008-5-16 (#3536@49)

As far as I can tell, China's human rights situation has been steadily improving, although there are problems exist. How do you expect such a big country, which just opened up to the world not very long ago, to change dramatically -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-17 {117} (#3919@49)
in a short period time? Unfortunately, some policies have to be there to maintain the stability of the whole country.
western media is so biased that when they see Tibetans burning cars,shops, beating the Chinese, they say it's because Tibetans human rights are not protected. -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-17 (#3928@49)
Let me ask you this, if someone start burning cars, beating people in Toronto, in New York, are they not terrorists? While you talk about the human rights of the terrorists, have you considered the human rights of the majority people? -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-17 (#3933@49)
And how about let's talk about the human rights issue in US? -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-17 (#3959@49)

1. their invasion to Iraq . Canada did the same - have they ever talked about the human rights of the Iraqis? -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-17 (#3965@49)
2. their highest incarceration rate in the world - and how do you explain the fact that 1 in every 100 american adults is behind bars, while one in 15 adult black men is behind bars? -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-17 (#3967@49)
3. what about the cruel deportation of illegal mexican workers - for which, Mexico’s President has denounced the U.S. Government’s increased deportation of Mexican nationals to his country as “a crime against humanity.” -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-17 (#3970@49)
4. what about the fact that US is the top provider on weapons sales list ? -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-17 (#3971@49)
5. and what about the fact that US is responsible for 46% of the world total military spending? -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-17 (#3972@49)

And I want to ask you, what makes you so unhappy about China? While most Chinese here talking about how to help our country, you are picking on China about the human rights issue? -passingby(have fun); 2008-5-17 (#3975@49)

太难了，只有你别在西方国家待着，回国天天看人民日报吧。另外，千万别让你的孩子在西方长大，否则将来你还要努力去eliminate his/her mind about china .... -stlucia(Never forget); 2008-5-16 (#3686@49)

My reply to your collegue's email: -ruoer(乡下人); 2008-5-16 {814} (#3538@49)
"Your reply gave a deep chill to my heart. Did you realize what you are saying? Let's put it in a more close to home simple analogy:

You disapprove the way your neighbour runs his house, especially the way he treats his children. You talked to him a few times and tried to make him doing what you think are right. He ignored you. Now his house is on fire. The children are trapped inside crying for help. You looked out of the window and decided: "I don't like his attitude when I talked to him in the past. Plus, I think he's got enough money to rebuild the house after the fire. And the fire truck is on their way too. Now I am going back to my beer and hockey game now."

I don't think this would be your response. Whether you lend your hand to China or not, I appreciate you take the time to reply.
我们公司发捐款email的加的都是大陆和香港人。公司的email不是用来做这种用途的，群发要很小心，如果加上几个关系特别要好的朋友，也无所谓，否则容易惹人非议。 -baalinca(出狱); 2008-5-16 (#3681@49)

我觉得用公司的email没问题。平时经常有同事发类似的请求。公司作为企业公民，对社会是有一定责任的。 -ld001(LD); 2008-5-17 (#3695@49)

这种事情，我只加自己熟悉的同事，知道就算他不捐也不会给我和其他人难堪，绝对不加不认识不熟悉的人。 -baalinca(出狱); 2008-5-17 (#3701@49)

将心比心，看看台灣九二一大地震時，中國政府怎樣把政治放到救人之前的。 -stlucia(Never forget); 2008-5-17 (#3729@49)
Unfortunately, we have to respect one's decision, and donot take this email personally. Donation is a personal matter and getting someone to donate is an organizational matter. -iamnew(kaikai); 2008-5-17 {1191} (#3733@49)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛When you see people standing in front of Walmart for donation, you must remember that they are all in uniform, with badges. The reason is that they are trying hard to identify themselve as an organization, to claim that the donation is an organizational behaviour, not private. But the decision still is yours. Since the people ask for donation work for an organization, they donot react to your choice personally.

When we email people at work for this matter, first of all, we consider those people who you have chosen special, then, we had an expectation from them. When they responded differently to our expectation, we might take it personally. Results discribed in many emails have shown the dispointment, disbelieving and getting hurt. that is why it is not the way to do it.

I do what I believe the right thing to do. If one believes what I believe one might have donated, if not, I respect individual's decision. To maximize donation we must present ourselve with an organization, well use media to carry our voice over the society. You may recall that you have seen or heard donation commercial on newspaper or in air every other day. That is the way to it, in my opinion.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
俺公司己由公司出面发起Matching program全公司范围捐款活动,感觉有些许安慰... -billni(咱们移民是首歌); 2008-5-17 (#3758@49)
请问中国即使有他们所谓的人权问题，他们就可以在数以万计的人遭受死亡，几十万人受伤受灾的时候不闻不问么？这是对人权的尊重么？不！这是对生命的蔑视！！！更不会是民主的体现！民主不是人手一票，民主是“以民为主。”人民需要什么最重要。而不是政客需要什么宣传口号 -newshoes(小冰壶); 2008-5-17 (#4172@49)
不用回Email给他，不理睬他就行了。 -nujia(牛筋); 2008-5-18 (#4498@49)

@Philadelphia

Unfortunately, we have to respect one's decision, and donot take this email personally. Donation is a personal matter and getting someone to donate is an organizational matter.

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