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No, I'm not an avid videogame player. I just feel it ridiculous that some parents make snap judgements without bothering to research the topic at all.

sui_watson(热干面)

Benefits obtained from vediogames could be: spatial skills, social skills, hand/eye co-ordination, relaxation, maths, spelling & grammar, problem solving, value judgement, working with time constraints, etc.

I find it amusing that many parents would happily sit there watching TV for hours and see no problems with it. Apart from some knowledge, watching TV is passive and non-interactive. As for the violence, you can find much worse on TV and movies. Moderately playing violent videogames can allow kids to vent their anger and frustrations without causing anyone harm. They can become less violent.

So one piece advice to those self-assertive parents: every kid loves videogames, let them play! Let them enjoy it!

If you thought you're entitled to make a fuss when you daughter can read a newpaper?

(#2731403@0)
Last Updated: 2006-1-19

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枫下家园 / 望子成龙 / 自我纪律 - SELF-DESCIPLINE对小孩的成就的影响 -triton(智者乐水); 2006-1-19 {1318} (#2730387@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛心理学的统计和长期的跟踪调查显示出成就和自我纪律的相关最大. 这自我纪律SELF-DISCIPLINE是有几个方面的含义,
1) 当然是学习习惯好, 比较坐的住, 可以学习一个小时, 不要休息. (小孩可以从20分钟到半小时, 然后再到一个小时). 这就是说小孩要有好的注意力.
2) 就是及时满足还是延迟满足(INSTANT GRATIFICATION 和 DELAYED GRATIFICATION). 就是小孩为了一些好的长期回报, 可以忍受目前暂时的不舒适. 比如有的小孩, 要一个什么东西, 他会要求马上就要, 如果不给他, 他就非常的激动, 一会儿也不愿意等, 这个小孩的自我纪律就差. 而有的小孩, 如果告诉他, 你等一会儿, 就给你一个更大更好的. 如果这个小孩愿意等, 那他的自我纪律就是好的.

看到以上两点, 其实培养小孩时, 1)就是培养注意力, 任何能让他集中主意力的游戏,或是钢琴, 画画什么的, 都可以用来训练他. 2) 就是让小孩有延迟满足DELAYED-GRATIFICATION. 就是能先吃苦, 然后再甜. 比如体育, 先练习, 以后可以嬴. 如钢琴, 先练习, 以后弹的就好听, 自己也享受. 对延迟满足最伤害的, 就是电子游戏. 绝大部分电子游戏都是强调即时满足, 一边打, 一边就有分数, 一边就可以看出输赢. 所以我认为电子游戏是对小孩伤害最大的.
电子游戏因为对玩的人提供即时的满足, 比如分数, 奖励, 所以小孩一旦习惯了这种即时满足感, 那么学习和其他要长期练习和训练, 才能获得成就和满足的事情就对他没有吸引力. 因此而降低了他可能成材的机会.

个人意见, 坚决抵制电子游戏, VEDIO GAME等. 特别是男孩们. 我宁愿让他们踢球, 游泳, 玩, 过家家什么的, 就是不许玩电子游戏.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

非常同意你的观点。谢谢分享，我基本上就是这样培养儿子的注意力和耐心的。。。我个人也是反对电子游戏等直接感光的游戏的 -meizi(梅子); 2006-1-19 (#2730447@0)
Get wild, Get messy, Get wise! -mississauga(老市长 be The Best); 2006-1-19 (#2730535@0)
What a shallow woman! A recent study commissioned by US government's National Institute of Health showed that players of action/adventure games have much better visual skills than non-players. -sui_watson(热干面); 2006-1-19 {610} (#2730583@0)
"By forcing players to simultaneously juggle a number of varied tasks, action video game playing pushes the limits of three rather different aspects of visual attention", the researchers wrote.

Given the right type of game, a child can be better eye-hand coordinated or learn creative puzzle-sloving skills. These skills come in handy later on in real life, whether for a surgeon performing a laparoscopy or for a mechanic fixing a motorcycle. Videogames can teach social skills too. Most role-playing games help players learn proper social behavior. Good behavior is rewarded and bad behavior punished.

得不偿失. 玩电游可以眼手协调, 可以有其他的作用. -triton(智者乐水); 2006-1-19 {350} (#2730846@0)
不要忘记电游的INSTANT-GRATIFICATION是致命伤, 这种INSTANT-GRATIFICATION直接促使脑中导致兴奋的化学物质的分泌, 小孩玩电游过多, 会形成对这个化学物质的依赖. 对於生活和学习中其他不能马上提供INSTANT-GRATIFICATION的活动, 就不会感兴趣了.
直接的比喻就是吸毒上瘾了, 对於抽烟没有兴趣一样.
喝烈酒多了, 对于啤酒没有胃口一样.
一家之言, 各位自己定夺如何教育小孩.

I think some time, we need some INSTANT-GRATIFICATION. We are human being, not machine. For me, happiness is more important than accomplishment. -uwofri(0x2B||!0x2B); 2006-1-19 (#2730897@0)

当你成年了, 能够享受你的生活时, 你可以这么说. 但是一个小孩还是在人生的起点时, 希望我们给他们一个好一点的准备. 电子游戏是一个很利润丰厚的行业, 可是比较新, 目前的分级制度都是业者自己定的. -triton(智者乐水); 2006-1-19 {124} (#2730994@0)
内容是良莠不齐. 让小孩玩过多的电游, 是不好的. 如果有暴力色情成分在内, 对小孩的影响更坏.
你的小孩, 你自己教. 我一点都不CARE.

你这个意见我赞同. 电子游戏还是尽量少给孩子玩. -cfastudying(_); 2006-1-19 (#2731009@0)
Of course, any thing 过多 is 不好的. I think you want to totally control your kids' behaviors. -uwofri(0x2B||!0x2B); 2006-1-19 {35} (#2731153@0)
你的小孩, 你自己教. 我一点都不CARE.

游戏迷一个，鉴定完毕。 -caffein(纸上谈兵); 2006-1-19 (#2730965@0)

No, I'm not an avid videogame player. I just feel it ridiculous that some parents make snap judgements without bothering to research the topic at all. -sui_watson(热干面); 2006-1-19 {812} (#2731403@0)
Benefits obtained from vediogames could be: spatial skills, social skills, hand/eye co-ordination, relaxation, maths, spelling & grammar, problem solving, value judgement, working with time constraints, etc.

I find it amusing that many parents would happily sit there watching TV for hours and see no problems with it. Apart from some knowledge, watching TV is passive and non-interactive. As for the violence, you can find much worse on TV and movies. Moderately playing violent videogames can allow kids to vent their anger and frustrations without causing anyone harm. They can become less violent.

So one piece advice to those self-assertive parents: every kid loves videogames, let them play! Let them enjoy it!

If you thought you're entitled to make a fuss when you daughter can read a newpaper?

Your point of view is nicely presented. Viewers can make their own decisions. -triton(智者乐水); 2006-1-19 (#2731488@0)
I have sound research on vedio games impact on kids. Hope your kids enjoy their vedion games. And by the way, if they don't want to learn Chinese, please don't force them. -triton(智者乐水); 2006-1-19 (#2731507@0)

上课时老师问圣诞节给孩子卖什么礼物，一个妈妈说孩子要一种电子宠物，没给买，老师说你没时间买？妈妈同学说：有时间。老师问很贵吗？同学说不贵。老师问为什么不买，同学说那东西很BAD。老师百思不解。。。 -llrm(小陳); 2006-1-19 (#2730627@0)

国女对洋教头，拎不清。 -llrm(小陳); 2006-1-19 (#2730639@0)

你自己很有成就? -uwofri(0x2B||!0x2B); 2006-1-19 (#2730691@0)

我注意到她们都很有成就。一个让女儿4年级可以阅读正规报纸，说国内同年级的学生看不懂正规报纸；一个让自己的儿子4岁开始说：thank you 了。 -lookaround(没事儿看看); 2006-1-19 (#2730821@0)

正规报纸可能是不看，改看金墉了。 -lisa2(乐了); 2006-1-19 (#2730841@0)
So what? My daughter started to speak thank u, u r welcome in both Chinese and English when she was 2-year old. -uwofri(0x2B||!0x2B); 2006-1-19 (#2730865@0)
这你就不要抬杠了. 英文是表音的拼音文字, 比汉语好学. 同龄的英文学童比汉语学童阅读能力好是不争的事实. 这是一个事实, 是一个FACT. 不是争论的结果. -triton(智者乐水); 2006-1-19 (#2730866@0)

"同龄的英文学童比汉语学童阅读能力好是不争的事实'? 你有什么证据？统计数据？你会让国内的家长笑掉大牙。 -lookaround(没事儿看看); 2006-1-19 (#2730900@0)

让他们笑就是了. -triton(智者乐水); 2006-1-19 (#2730912@0)
为了让小孩早日阅读, 目前很多中文读物都直接注音在文字上面. -triton(智者乐水); 2006-1-19 {445} (#2730945@0)
就是因为很多词, 小孩也许会说, 会听, 可是不会读. 比如苹果, 也许一年级的小孩还没有学, 可是如果他学了拼音, 他拼出"PING GUO", 也许他就懂这是说苹果, 他就可能在书中认识"苹果"这个词了. 如果没有注音, 这个小孩就是不能读, 因为他还没有学. 小孩读物也许有注音,可是报纸有吗? 所以说这边的小孩可以读报纸, 中国的小孩也许就困难.
对於英语来说, 他们不需要注音在旁边, 因为英语本身比较表音. 所以APPLE, 就是APPLE, 他可以直接读出来, 也可以马上就懂.
再和我争论吧.

你读字的能力确实还不错. -cfastudying(_); 2006-1-19 (#2730972@0)

也可能是现在退化了? 记得我读小学三四年纪的时候, 几个要好的同学在家都是读《文汇报》的. -cfastudying(_); 2006-1-19 {37} (#2730883@0)
也许按英语标准，《文汇报》也是小报？

我小学3年级开始读"雷锋故事", 然后读"林海雪原", 不知所云. 但是汉字的难学是超过英语的. 英语表音, 所以基本上会说, 会听, 很快就会过渡到读. -triton(智者乐水); 2006-1-19 {185} (#2730906@0)
中国小孩都会说会听, 可是要过渡到读, 这个过渡会很难. 因为汉字并不表音. 英语就比较容易, 小孩学了一些PHONICS, 听和说就可以很容易过渡到读了.
这个问题不必争论, 我是在阐述一个现象, 一个事实.

你小时候看这些书不知所云？那是你自己太差啊。 -lookaround(没事儿看看); 2006-1-19 (#2730915@0)

不会差吧. 要不咱们比比? 比谁的阅读要? 比中文? 比英文? -triton(智者乐水); 2006-1-19 (#2730950@0)

说你差，你就这样，你的self-discipline也不行啊。 -lookaround(没事儿看看); 2006-1-19 (#2731288@0)

其实认字并不是最难的, 难的是用语言来思考。我小学三年级已经通读线装本的《三国志》了。 -cfastudying(_); 2006-1-19 (#2730958@0)

中国的报纸都是一个模子出来了，容易读的很。 -tuantuan(givemeabreak); 2006-1-19 (#2730907@0)

女人. 中国女人, 中年中国女人, 北美的中年中国女人. 移居北美的中年中国女人 -cfastudying(_); 2006-1-19 (#2730963@0)

你这种人在这儿猜人家的性别干什么? -triton(智者乐水); 2006-1-19 (#2730977@0)

你的阅读能力还是值得给予肯定的. 真的. -cfastudying(_); 2006-1-19 (#2730981@0)

4岁才会说Thank you?看来是贵人. -cfastudying(_); 2006-1-19 (#2730974@0)

电子游戏的部分不敢苟同. -hhorse(hhorse); 2006-1-19 {236} (#2730832@0)
很多电脑游戏编得很好,予教于乐,我女儿通过玩游戏学会了很多东西.学会控制自己玩游戏的时间也是一种你说的自我约束的训练呀.延迟满足有它的宝贵性,但不需要任何事都延迟满足.孩子毕竟是孩子,他们看不了那么长远,什么都延迟满足,会让他们失去努力的动力的.

同意你，尤其是CD版的游戏更有教育意义，比网上众多的游戏更有选择性。不同意小孩玩掌中游戏机。其他部分很同意智者的观点。 -gingergiant(小葱); 2006-1-19 (#2731399@0)

@Philadelphia

No, I'm not an avid videogame player. I just feel it ridiculous that some parents make snap judgements without bothering to research the topic at all.

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