Very good idea, but ... -dennis2(Dennis) @费城华人论坛:费城枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of Philadelphia

工作学习 / IT杂谈 / 希望搞电脑的朋友都能掌握北美流行的技术! -zcaken(zcaken); 2001-10-28 {215} (#240878@0)
搞个CLUB, 朋友聚会,请在职的朋友讲讲工作情况, 所使用的技术. 或大家在一起学习,互相促进,交流INTERVIEW经验和共享各种各样的信息!
相信对大家都会有很大帮助! 我还准备把自己擅长的东西拿出来和大家共享!
有兴趣的请给我EMAIL.

同意，建议叫： Rolia IT 论坛。 -andy2060(胖胖猴); 2001-10-28 (#240889@0)

枫下IT -lemondy(麋鹿_不怕老虎_认识路); 2001-10-29 (#241298@0)

里面太乱，说什么的都有，关键是要专业化，主题化。 -chineseman123(问问); 2001-10-30 (#243264@0)

建议扩大可参加的专业人士范围 -congcaiwei(Jacky); 2001-11-9 {648} (#255269@0)
其实，我想大家的真正目的是想搞点钱。
那么，我们为什么不扩大一下我们的专业范围和思路呢。
先来谈谈我的构想：
第一：我们应先掌握北美人的需求，这比直接去掌握北美人的技术更重要。这就需要市场调查人员，和所有这里人的意见。
第二：掌握他们的需求的同时，还要了解当地的法律，及民俗。这就需要懂得法律的人员。及当地人的参与。
第三：就是专业技术人员，包括硬件专业工程师，及软件工程师。
其实，开始也没必要各个专业的专业人士凑齐才能开工。在这里有这么多的精英，各个都比老外的智商高，怎么就不能扶植一个象样的公司出来呢。如果有人牵头，雇佣几个固定的员工，其他的事情可以雇佣这里的精英们兼职，不是一举两得吗。
//**************希望大家多出主意*****************//

Agree. -teaplayer((朋友)); 2001-10-28 (#240909@0)
我强烈支持你的建议。并愿就我的所长与大家共享。 -brave_heart(胡狼); 2001-10-28 {30} (#240933@0)
呵呵，有点儿象入党宣誓：）））
不是搞电脑的人怎么办？ -pyramid(金字塔); 2001-10-28 (#240963@0)

可以请非电脑人员来参加，比如现在电工比较火，请来正在做电工的，叫他/她介绍经验，看到底市场是什么，看到底是不是向传闻的那样好。 -zcaken(zcaken); 2001-10-29 (#241283@0)

Totally agree! -fanqie(fanqie); 2001-10-29 (#241422@0)
好呀! 我赞成 , 最好面对面交流. 这样比较好. -acezl(笨笨张); 2001-10-29 (#241864@0)
最好的学习方法是用！首先，过去我学UNIX时用的SPARC原和大家共享。。。 -zcaken(zcaken); 2001-10-30 {206} (#242616@0)
至少能学会UNIX环境的操作。需要的朋友告诉我你的USERNAME。我会在2天内建起你的用户。另外我会用EMAIL通知你如何上到我的SPARC上。还有我想统计一下时间段，最好是每周2-3天，每天定好2小时。如果时间不够，以后在商量。

我第一个报名。非常感谢！ -gaoguo(gaoguo); 2001-10-30 {146} (#243191@0)
my username could be sgwei, any evening is ok for me. and pls tell me how to use it. my email address: sgwei@sympatico.ca.

Thank you very much!
第二个报名 -roctec(roctec); 2001-10-30 {84} (#243217@0)
用户名roctec，不方便的话随你定，email: roctec_ming@hotmail.com
Thank you very much!
我第三个， -uid(㊣Miracle); 2001-10-30 {69} (#243238@0)
用户名: Glee，不方便的话随你定，email: leegeyu@yahoo.com
Thank you !
我第四个，han0747@yahoo.com，谢谢乐 -iceman(伦敦的大老虎); 2001-10-30 (#243244@0)
我第四个 -bigrice(大米); 2001-10-30 {29} (#243248@0)
用户名 bigrice
Thanks a lot!
我第0个, -wangshuny(你好我好大家好); 2001-10-30 {19} (#243251@0)
wangshuny@yahoo.com
我是 No.5 -andy2060(胖胖猴); 2001-10-30 (#243254@0)
算上我，starshower1969@yahoo.com -kevin2000(流星雨); 2001-10-30 (#243257@0)
Thanks. please add me in: he9758@home.com -skywalker(sky88); 2001-10-30 (#243341@0)
Add me up pls. Thanks. -zhu(猪头); 2001-10-30 {14} (#243364@0)
lye@is2.dal.ca
嘿，兄弟门。光是第几第几有什么用，告诉我你的用户名呀！发我EMAIL zcaken@hotmail.com, UNIX SERVER两天后开！快呀！ -zcaken(zcaken); 2001-10-30 (#243470@0)

忘了一句话：在多伦多的朋友请在邮件里说明一下，以便我通知您朋友聚会时间，大家见面聊聊，在讨论一下学习方法和方向。 -zcaken(zcaken); 2001-10-30 (#243529@0)

我也要报名! -aileenzeng(小仙女); 2001-10-30 (#243506@0)
我也报名! email: rayls_2000@yahoo.com -onewayticket(onewayticket); 2001-10-31 (#243916@0)
me2. thank you. Username:braveheart -brave_heart(胡狼); 2001-10-31 (#244060@0)

Username only allow 8 charactors :-) -dennis2(Dennis); 2001-11-1 (#244566@0)

Sorry, username:brave, ok? thanks. -brave_heart(胡狼); 2001-11-6 (#250862@0)

我最后一个报名，domainner@hotmail.com -domain(domain); 2001-10-31 (#244272@0)
我第N个，username=mickeymouse，email: rejoice999@yahoo.com -mickeymouse(米奇); 2001-11-1 (#244601@0)
And me too. Email: xxu999@yahoo.com -xxu999(xxu999); 2001-11-2 (#247211@0)
我也报名! username: ericzeng linjing78@hotmail.com -etoile(etoile); 2001-11-6 (#250559@0)
count me in please, iseekgirl@sohu.com -iseekgirl(英雄本色); 2001-11-6 (#250564@0)

count me in ! "qiqi75@21cn.com" thanks ! and I am in Toronto ! -wendywang168(wendy); 2001-11-6 (#250920@0)

我也报个名： patrickship@hotmail.com -patrickchen(papas); 2001-11-6 (#251000@0)
Thank you. Username:lilyzoe Email:lilyzoe@hotmail.com -lilyzoe(quietwind); 2001-11-7 (#251332@0)
我也算一个，rabbitbug@hotmail.com -rabbitbug(兔八哥); 2001-11-7 (#252484@0)
别忘了我。username: albertdong; email: shenglid@yahoo.com. I'm in Toronto. -albert112(hihi); 2001-11-8 (#254462@0)

忘了用户名只能8位，change my username from albertdong to albert. -albert112(hihi); 2001-11-8 (#254470@0)

我提议组织一个项目做做，大家可以练练手。 -bigrice(大米); 2001-10-30 (#243233@0)

我是本科计算机的，研究生通信专业的，要不要？？？ -hohohoho(我喜欢 compaq M700); 2001-10-30 (#243241@0)
大家别急，我会组织一个模拟项目做。不会的可以学会，会的可以练练手，别生了！我没太多时间看论坛，请将用户名发我EMAIL： zcaken@hotmail.com -zcaken(zcaken); 2001-10-30 {80} (#243484@0)
如果在多伦多，我会先组织聚会，大家认识了后就可以自己组织小组聚会学习或做项目了！

我算一个，用过SOLARIS 1，EMAIL：william789_w@sina.com -w2000(david); 2001-10-31 (#243582@0)

Solaris 1? Is that SunOS 4.x.x? -dennis2(Dennis); 2001-11-1 (#244568@0)

什么样的项目? 是旨在培养Unix Admin呐,还是Developer or Program Analyst? -cyt(cyt); 2001-10-31 (#244433@0)

俺觉着纯粹的技术问题到不难，难的是business rules, 每次出现问题都是这些搞不懂 -oasis(oasis); 2001-10-30 (#243271@0)

都是愚蠢的拥护的错！ -fraserbank(mike); 2001-10-30 (#243496@0)

没办法，现在用户上上帝啊 -heian(忘记备份的天使); 2001-10-30 (#243497@0)
拥护=用户，拼音真会开玩笑 -fraserbank(mike); 2001-10-30 (#243498@0)

Good idea! My mail box is : hyt2001@263.net Thanks a lot. Good luck to you. -per(per); 2001-10-31 (#243545@0)
用户名Haah，email: hfboc@163.net Thank you very much! 本人在 Toronto, 想参加聚会 -haah(Haah); 2001-10-31 (#243961@0)
Very good idea, but ... -dennis2(Dennis); 2001-10-31 {1122} (#243979@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛... might not be very practical if people can only access it remotely.

You are not going to give people root access, are you? Then there will be some difficulties for an ordinary user. For example:

1. Apply patches, which is a very important admin activity if you are going to expose your machine on the Internet.
2. A lot of admin functionality is done in GUI. It'll be a bit challenging to set it up correctly. My suggestion is to use ssh tunneling, but your user will lose the chance of setting up things like openssl and openssh.
3. The major difference between solaris sparc and x86 is sparc has OpenPROM, and remote users will be out of luck in that aspect.
4. The environment will be ideal for software development, but users can setup solaris x86 on their own machine, which will be very convenient for them, and development environment is the same.

I'm not trying to discourage you, don't get me wrong. Like I said, it's a very good idea but it might need some more consideration. I think gathering together from time to time will help a lot, but again, that only applies to people in your area...更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

Hi, I'd like to learn Unix and I have 7 years DOS/Windows experience. Could you please advice how I should start? My emil is guo8661@home.com -qing66(qing); 2001-10-31 (#244390@0)

I don't know how much your 7 years DOS/Windows experience will help you, but definitely you can give it a try ... -dennis2(Dennis); 2001-10-31 {1573} (#244538@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛1. Go to http://www.sun.com and download Solaris 8 CD images, and burn them to CDs. I believe you just need the first 3 CD images. Make sure you get the Solaris for Intel, not Sparc.

2. Go to http://docs.sun.com and follow the Solaris 8 link. There are a lot of document collections but you'll probably need to read these:

1) Solaris 8 Installation Collection
a) Solaris 8 (Intel Platform Edition) Installation Guide
b) Solaris 8 Advanced Installation Guide (read this later on)

2) Solaris 8 System Administrator Collection
a) System Administration Guide, Volume 1
b) System Administration Guide, Volume 2
c) System Administration Guide, Volume 3
d)Solaris Naming Setup and Configuration Guide (just the NIS and DNS section is enough I believe)
e)Solaris Naming Administration Guide (same as above)

3) Solaris 8 User Collection (just the CDE is enough I believe)

3. While you are reading the above, try to install it, configure it according to the document. Mind you, it will be a long and boring process. But if you manage to finish, you'll have a very good grasp on Solaris.

4. After all the above, you might want to go to http://www.sunfreeware.com to install a lot of precompiled software packages. Some of the packages are quite out of date (like apache), some of them are quite up to date (eg. samba). For those out of date packages, you might want to create your own packages (refer to the instructions on that site).

After all the above, you might want to try out Linux/*BSD and you will find out it'll be much easier.

Good luck!更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

你说的对，我不会把ROOT权限给出去！但至少也可以学到普通UNIX命令，以及真正看看多用户系统是什么样（很多人确实没实际用过的）。如果要更有效，还是要见面交流！ -zcaken(zcaken); 2001-10-31 {49} (#244420@0)
这样的方法确实培养不出UNIX管理员，但总比没有好！

好主意，至少能学点东西，还能认识一些朋友。 -chris_libin(Chris); 2001-11-1 (#245578@0)

Hi, I am very interested in your idea and would like to join the club. I am a java progammer and also know something about database. Pls feel free to email me if necessary. -window(Window); 2001-11-5 (#250033@0)
Count me in! eluo1996@yahoo.com -lhs(Dou e); 2001-11-6 (#250488@0)
Excellent, zcaken. My group is focusing on software development. I am turning the direction to make it kind of club to benefit more... -aiattendant(aiattendant); 2001-11-6 {491} (#250757@0)
Please contact me: aiattendant@hotmail.com

I have been working in Canada for 5 years and was a team lead for 2 years. Worked with some white guys on a start up project in 1998. But Canada is not US, the company vanished because of financial problem.

However, I would like to help new comers by sharing some experience and guide on software engineering stuff.

Some guys want to be an architect by learning. Actually the design knowledge is also important for developers.

Thanks.
http://www.rolia.com/forum/forum_hotZone.php?focus=29897&_bno=50&

Great! a club should be able to benefit more people! I'd like to have time with your guys soon! -zcaken(zcaken); 2001-11-6 (#251224@0)

UNIX SERVER 每天 9：00PM-12：00PM 开，可以用TELNET上。但现在用户名有点乱：有那位朋友负责组织一下用户，做个列表给我，我集中ADD NEW USERS。 -zcaken(zcaken); 2001-11-6 (#251219@0)
I can be reached at YAHOO and HOTMAIL messenger with the same ID of aiattendant. Welcome to discuss design problems or C++, C# questions. -aiattendant(aiattendant); 2001-11-7 (#252438@0)
每个人做一道菜端上来,大家互相品尝一下... -aiattendant(aiattendant); 2001-11-16 {557} (#263905@0)
CLUB 的真正意义在于交流. 如果只是一个人每周准备一个演讲, 其余的人只是来听, 这就失去了交流的实质, 这样的团体也长久不了.

每个参加的人, 最好都要有给别人介绍经验的准备, 不论是硬件还是软件方面, 甚至于做市场的人, 和做组织工作的人, 都会使这个CLUB得到收益.

如果有20个人参与, 每周一次讲座, 平均每个人5个月才会演讲一次. 应该不会有很多人害怕这种频率. 应该有一些具体要求, 比如说, 要有3个组织者, 演讲人应当写一个提纲(OUTLINE), 提前至少2周交给组织者, 组织者要REVIEW和安排时间和地点.

大家的事情要大家一起来参与和实施, 欢迎继续讨论. 愿意组织这件事的人, 请与我联系.
How about this IT organization's process,Give me some infromation---- homeforleaf@hotmail.com -panzeen2002(Pan zeen); 2001-11-20 (#268029@0)
count me in , please . acezl@yahoo.com -acezl(笨笨张); 2001-12-6 (#287699@0)

@Philadelphia

Very good idea, but ...

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