当初肉联这里争论得天翻地覆，但是现在少有人再质疑俄乌战争是一场proxy war。不过，战争的最终走向是什么？a dilemma underlying the entire NATO response: Is the aim of the United States and its allies simply to allow Ukraine to ensure its survival or is it to
the_dumb_one(悔不该)
help it expel Russia from all its territory and to ensure the defeat of Russian President Vladimir Putin?
枫下茶话 / 和平之路 / 当初肉联这里争论得天翻地覆，但是现在少有人再质疑俄乌战争是一场proxy war。不过，战争的最终走向是什么？a dilemma underlying the entire NATO response: Is the aim of the United States and its allies simply to allow Ukraine to ensure its survival or is it to
-the_dumb_one(悔不该);
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help it expel Russia from all its territory and to ensure the defeat of Russian President Vladimir Putin?
你的类比并不准确。proxy war的前提是做别人的替死鬼，所谓 an armed conflict between two states or non-state actors, one or both of which act at the instigation or on behalf of other parties that are not directly involved in the hostilities。 抗日战争
-the_dumb_one(悔不该);
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In order for a conflict to be considered a proxy war, there must be a direct, long-term relationship between external actors and the belligerents involved.
-the_dumb_one(悔不该);
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现在应该是没有多少人再去挑战proxy war的断定。比如在我贴出来的链接里CNN的文章中，就有这样的语句：Putin’s threats haven’t deterred Western nations before as they get drawn ever deeper into what is in effect a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine.
-the_dumb_one(悔不该);
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Neither is. I guess the real objective is to bleed Russia as much as possible, while containing the scope of the conflict. The claimed objective will remain vague and flexible to serve the real one.
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乌克兰人为了别的国家 take an endless beating， 目的就是达到别的国家要想削弱俄国力量的宏伟目标？
-the_dumb_one(悔不该);
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